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Phil: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Marking the Role. This is episode 30 and this is season six of Marking the Role and there's been some big changes in education promised in Australia. The move from discovery learning to explicit and direct instruction, which is the topic of today's episode. Big changes in the university sector, where universities are going to be expected to be accountable for what they teach the students and perhaps refund money when the students haven't learnt anything or they can't get a job, that's pretty impressive.